Thursday, September 24, 2015

The Idealist vs. The Materialist


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The idealist and the materialist are somewhat distinct characters yet they are two sides of the same coin. They often appear as contradictory characters and their approaches to certain situations are quite distinct based on the progress of society and particular stages of development.  The idealist character is one that believes that thoughts or ideas are the primary basis for action and these thoughts are very influential in shaping the perception of the objective reality.  This perception of the objective reality through ideas or thoughts then becomes the basis for how we operate in the world and how the objective world operates around us. These ideas or thoughts that we perceive then  becomes a distinct element that is known as an ideal or a set of organizing principles that  determine the actions by particular groups or for society as a whole.  The philosophical approach which says that ideas shape the world we live in is known as idealism. This approach brings it into conflict with the other side of the coin represented by materialists who embody the values of materialism. Materialism is a philosophy which says that the objective reality beyond the realm of our thoughts shapes how we perceive the world. The material elements  represented by the objective world therefore have a significant bearing on how we perceive the world.  The materialistic elements that are represented by the objective reality  therefore shape how people respond. Materialists state, therefore,  that the world  exists  independently of our thoughts.  Materialism then allows for a constant appreciation of the fundamental reasons for  movement or progress in human  society and in the natural world. It is not bound by a rigid set of principles and has a greater appreciation for how various elements interact in the objective world.  The primary differences between idealists and materialists  appear contradictory but they are a  part of the same coin.  The contradictions  between these two groups of individuals  influence how society functions and operates.  In the end it all depends on whether or not you  stick to your principles or if you go with the flow of progress regardless of how your moral, ideated compass is altered.  I am focusing primarily on how these characters interact in the social sphere and how they collide.

The  Idealist

The idealist in society is one that sticks firmly to his or her principles. The idealists share the belief that our world functions based on a set of organizing principles that shape how we interact with the objective reality or the material world beyond our perceptions or thoughts. We function based on how we perceive the world based on our level of consciousness. There has to be an object to perceive and that would explain why as human societies began to develop and mature into settled civilizations religion was very important in allowing individuals to understand the world. Instead of a scientific basis for the examination of certain elements humans were decidedly influenced by our beliefs that were not based on the examination of empirical data. From the beginning nature was not seen as a chaotic force that brought about a certain order to how the world operated. It was seen as a creation of the gods who had enhanced human qualities. Nature appeared as if by design or ordained by the creation of supernatural forces. Most of the concepts learned in the early stages of human societal development were organized by these religious principles. These religious principles were based on ideas about the nature of the earth and the wider universe that was created by the gods of various religions.  These gods laid the basis for the classification of various elements in nature and the objective reality that involved how human beings interacted. Each group believing in their right to rule based on their religion. All the laws of society were laid down by  the gods instead of seeing it as a means of ensuring a certain level of social bonding amongst humans that would guarantee a certain level of cooperation based on various class distinctions. Then there were the philosophers, particularly the Greeks,  that offered a challenge to the religious dogma by offering various fantastic interpretations of the world around us. They might have challenged religious dogma but they did so by fantastic idealistic reasoning. Plato was one of the top idealistic philosophers of Ancient Greece.  Language was created based on our conceptual understanding of our environment and our ability to identify and classify certain elements. Language also reinforced the cultural basis for interaction amongst a particular group of individuals. This is why in order to identify a particular group of individuals one must identify the cultural principles that bind them together. These cultural principles are based on the ideas that shape how a group of people perceive the objective reality. This is why many cultures are similar but they identify the natural world in superficially different ways or based on the various natural elements that they encounter or the shared experiences of particular peoples.  In some cases they give the same thing different names.  It is still important to embrace idealism in such a regard because based on our means of communication through language we are able to identify and classify these elements. If you want to communicate an idea to another human being then language is important. Language is based on the symbolic interaction between humans and the perception of the world we inhabit. It is still an idealistic notion that we live in a world shaped by how we classify certain elements or other human beings. It is effective for those people that believe strongly in the cultural values that shape their perception of the objective world. This world can be classified because of the regularity of certain elements. Once there is not enough occurrence of a particular element then it is difficult to classify. It is the regular occurrence of living beings, natural cycles and the mode of operation of  societies  etc that give rise to the notion that this world was designed in a particular way according to certain thoughts.

Ideals are important in shaping not just how we communicate and see the world but the structure of society along class lines.  The political structure of society  becomes reinforced by idealistic principles. Those that adhere strictly to these principles are clearly idealists. From a political point of view what is reinforced is the right to rule by a particular group and those that are subject to their rule. Every political principle is organized along idealistic lines and this puts it on par with the idealistic influence of religion. When it comes to the history of the two dominant world religions,  Islam and Christianity, politics is closely aligned with religion.  Many rulers have to convince their supporters of their right to rule whether by conquest and subjugation, using the moral high ground (trace their descent to the gods) or by making promises that can’t be kept.  This is an idealistic element because there has to be some means of convincing others that your way is the best.  The destruction  of a particular way is normally as a result of a new nation,  group, association or party that is able to tear down or significantly challenge  the ideals of the incumbent. When the legitimacy of a  particular group, association or party is smashed by a new group their ideas become dated or old fashioned. The people will eventually adopt the principles of the new group based on the influence of their organizing principles which are primarily idealistic although there is a materialistic basis for this; it is called conquest.  A lot of the major shifts throughout human history have occurred strictly along idealistic lines. The challenge posed by some Greek philosophers to religious dogma,  Jesus Christ vs. Mohammed,  the pharaohs, Buddha,  The Roman Catholic Church replacing the so called pagan religions, the challenge Islam made to Christianity, the role played by Christianity in the colonizing and conquering  missions of the European powers, the justification used by the white race to subjugate those of other races and how these subjugated races fought back etc. Obviously there is also Capitalism vs. communism. In a lot of cases the material destruction of an ideal comes in the form of conquest by certain means. With this material destruction also comes the destruction of the organizing principles. The destruction of the organizing principles means that new principles will have to emerge in order to  effectively challenge again. This cannot be done without the material backing however. The ability to challenge effectively comes because the material foundation allows for it. If the new challenge is effective then a new set of organizing principles is required.

The organizing principles bind people in  particular ways. This occurs through various alliances such as marriage, the family code, peer socialization. This is all done along class and racial lines because each race and class exist according to various cultural and natural experiences. In such a situation these factors affect how people interact. The bourgeoisie/capitalist class has to create idealistic principles that justify its rule over the oppressed working classes. It is these organizing principles that ossify the various class and racial distinctions over time.  People then adhere to them in order to maintain the functions of the state/nation, group or association. This is enforced through various laws that are based on primarily idealistic principles that regulate how people should interact in society. Law abiding citizens are hailed as upstanding individuals even though the law may reinforce the oppression of particular groups in society for the benefit of others. It is in the interest of those that benefit from the law to be upstanding citizens. The rule of law therefore does not guarantee prosperity in such an instance hence why new laws are constantly updated or revised to accommodate those oppressed groups that challenge the status/static quo.

The history of science also suggests that it was highly influenced by ideals. One can see this with various pronouncements made about the  earth being at the centre of the universe or that it was flat at one point. These pronouncements seem comical or quixotic now but back then they were taken very seriously until they were actually disproved. This does demonstrate how effective an ideal can be although it is faulty or has no bearing on reality. It can shape how men interact with the objective environment although it does not affect this objective reality. Even some of Einstein’s theories had to be proven and a lot of his work was theoretical in nature. Some of it still yet to be proven by empirical data. Any work that is theoretical in nature is idealistic or informed by a certain idea of the world. Some elements of these theories may be verified by certain empirical data but this means that it was not idealistic but based on an objective assessment of the objective reality. There are some theories that do go beyond the data to make some pronouncements that still await confirmation. Until then they remain utopias in the mind of many.

Most organizations, business, scientific or professional, are reinforced by organizing principles. These principles remain the basis for how they function until the material basis for their ideals are shattered.

As a result of these organizing principles throughout a particular nation, group, or association there emerges a grand ideal that becomes the basis for unity. All these organizing principles are supposed to lead to something grand or major that represents the supposed outcome that is as a result of adhering to these principles.  For instance in religion adhering to certain principles will lead you to the home of the gods and those that do not adhere to said principles are sentenced to eternal damnation or torture. The principles of philosophy lead to absolute knowledge. In business the organizing principles of the company are supposed to lead to profits and in school adhering to the principles lead to a pass or a certificate of completion based on the requirements. Man and woman relationships aspire to the ideal of love.

The idealist character of society is very principled.  These people normally adhere to a rigid mode of operation that is dictated by the demands of the organizing principles of the nation or particular organization. One basis for idealism is its ability to classify various elements based on their regularity or frequent occurrence. The individual eventually realizes that he or she belongs with a particular group or the various groups that form the basis for the nation. This goes back to the original basis for idealism based on how we conceptualize the world through language. This expression comes to make us identifiable as groups or individuals and then we realize that we are not as unique when we stand alone. If we were all so unique then we would not need each other. We are social beings and so there are idealistic principles that bind some people together. A man and woman come together because they want to build a family unit;  on social media outlets like facebook or twitter you must have friends or followers or those that support you in some way no matter how small.  Each individual fits in somewhere and this is determined by shared experiences, perceptions, beliefs, physical makeup etc.  Idealists like to believe that the ‘fundamentals still apply as time goes by’ or ‘the more things change the more they remain the same’. This rigid approach can make them intransigent or intolerant because they have to stick to the organizing principles that decidedly influences how they interact with the objective reality and the grand ideal that they want to achieve.

The Materialist

The materialist is decidedly influenced by the precepts of materialism. As stated before the materialist philosophy means that everything is determined by the activity in the surrounding material world. Therefore they are in direct opposition to the idealists that believe that it is our thoughts that shape the world we live in. Materialism, therefore,  cannot adhere to the absolute principles that is cherished by idealism. Materialism adheres to a more relative conception of the world because nothing is eternal. Adhering to something that is eternal can lead to stagnation and a rotten core because there are movements in objective reality that are taking place and are constantly challenging the organizing principles or concepts of a particular nation, organization, group or association. For materialism change is constant as opposed to things remaining the same.

Materialism assumes a more empirical and scientific basis for the examination of particular elements or spheres of influence.  This makes a strict materialist unwilling to assign a theoretical basis for the examination of a particular subject because the facts constantly erode the basis for ideology.  Materialism dictates that everything must be judged on its own merit. Everything is unique and must be examined on such grounds. It is difficult to extrapolate using a particular element or sphere of influence and apply it on a general basis unless it applies to all the elements that comprise a particular sphere of influence. Therefore if you discuss all the elements of the earth then it does comprise the whole that is the earth. But one cannot apply studies related to the earth and its inhabitants to Mars or Jupiter.  Similarly if you study all the elements that comprise capitalism one cannot apply these elements to another system of economy such as feudalism, the plantation economy, colonial economy, peasant economy, slave economy, petty bourgeois economy etc.  Only when you study all the parts that comprise a particular whole can you then generalize about it. If you only study a ½ then how will you know that it can apply to the other half. There does not necessarily have to be another planet exactly like earth that we can look on but it is clear that for life to form or thrive fresh water must be present. Because water means that there is a hospitable atmosphere for life. The planet does not have to be another earth. The earth is not absolute. If there are other life forms out there in the universe they don’t necessarily have to look like the life forms on earth.  Basically there are many different parts in a particular whole. There is never just one way  or that whole will be or become very small. Meaning there are many diverse elements. There are different life forms and the object is life. A developed capitalist system is characterized by the production and sale of various commodities in the market. A capitalist economy that is not developed sufficiently is characterized by a limited amount of commodities produced for sale in the market.  A developed peasant economy is characterized by a large number of peasant holdings. Basic examples that there can be many parts to a particular whole. Those nations, organizations, groups or associations that do not have much diversity are quite small and insignificant. It is a fact and does not require a theoretical justification.

This diversity means that it is difficult for a materialist to assign a set of principles to a particular whole without coming to terms with its diversity. In another case it is also difficult to create a set of organizing principles on the basis of one whole while not accounting for other wholes. Who is to tell which one is absolute in its conception? Particularly as a absolute conception reveals a very limited or finite base in the long run. The absolute normally paves the way for a more relative conception.

The materialist character is a character that tries to be all encompassing or someone that moves with the tide. They are against idealists because they frown on making arbitrary judgments. They detest a absolute conception of the world or the belief that things are eternal. This is because they subscribe to the position that everything is relative up to a certain point because most things are finite in nature. There are fundamentals for every element but not every element is the same because from the base each element becomes something distinct. The resources of the earth and the labour of humans are the original basis of economy for humankind but these fundamental elements become the basis for different modes of social organization along class lines with capitalism being the most advanced. The earth’s resources and the labour of humans is utilized in all forms of economy but on top of these fundamentals are built various structures that add to the diversity of economy. Therefore while the resources of the earth and the labour of humans are fundamental they do not remain in the same shape when utilized by different economic structures.  The capitalist mode of development is the most advanced form of economy because humans become divorced from the land which is the original source of wealth in the other forms of economy. No longer do humans live off the land as if bound by mother earth. The wealth of nations which was previously tied to having a agricultural surplus is now replaced by industry with all its technical requirements. Even agriculture is taken over by the industry and its precepts. The development of a wage labour force (those that only sell their labour) that exists only to provide surplus value/profit for the capitalist or the owners of the means of production. Money is now more important than owning a piece of land because money is the equivalent of all commodities produced in the market or the universal equivalent.

Materialists acknowledge the influence of the objective reality on their actions. They do not see thoughts as being the basis for their action but rather how they respond to the demands of an external objective reality. Materialists can be prone to very selfish behavior because their refutation of idealism can preclude a sense of general unity particularly as everything is relative. The materialists therefore cannot prescribe a general set of principles that will preserve the integrity of a particular system because everything is constantly moving and changing. Empires rise and fall. This approach can make them appear to be negative and their approach can also seem to be demeaning because they are motivated by naked self interest and the betterment of self. They are also more likely to believe in heaven or hell on earth because they acknowledge the drive to accumulate wealth which can determine who falls into a particular class. The haves and the have nots.

They are very empirical in how they structure their research. They do not make any claims unless they have the evidence.  They are very weak when it comes to providing a theoretical justification for their research and they act more like data collectors. This makes them incapable of influencing general trends in society because they are incapable of mobilizing groups under a general heading. This is ever more pertinent because they subscribe to a  more relative conception of the world. An ever changing world. Nothing set in stone. They are more willing to adapt to change than the idealists and are more tolerant as a result of their position. 

The Idealist vs. the Materialist

How do these two groups of individuals interact in the social sphere? It makes for some interesting drama and a comedy of errors.  This is because the distinction between the two can get blurred no matter how distinct their approaches might seem. Which one came first, the chicken or the egg?  The history of the world has shown that the great organizers of states/nations, various organizations, groups or associations have very idealistic qualities. In order to do this they made an impact in the social sphere by some material means. This means that the objective reality influenced them in a certain way in order for them to bring about their ideal. You cannot be distinct if you don’t measure yourself against what is already there or you would not have much diversity. The material form of conquest has been used by most idealistic groups to improve their position. Where would the glory of Rome be without its military conquests? How would colonization take place if there was not land to be claimed for the glory of the European countries? Even the likes of Jesus, Buddha and Mahatma Ghandi had to reject the material world in order to live like holy figures.  In order to have an ideal an external object must be present in order to influence your thoughts on a particular issue. You cannot have thoughts in a vacuum.

The idealists like to look at their ideals as eternal and this position is always challenged by the materialists who like to demonstrate the reality of a situation. In order for a grand ideal to be achieved then there had to be trial and error. This is a historical fact. No matter the state, organization or group most of these entities are there by trial and error. What they stood for has always been subject to change. History teaches us this with the many tales of unification. For most entities there was a process of unification that required some form of violence, struggle or antagonism in order to unite the individuals under a particular umbrella. The main way to convince people to follow you is by making them believe that by following you they will reap some reward either on earth or in heaven.  Unification does not come ready made. Someone has to be convinced by some means be it violent or more peaceful logical argumentation.  This antagonism is reflective of a materialist process whereby everything is relative. America today is not the same America before the passage of the Civil rights law or before the civil war. Jamaica is not the same as the one before independence from colonial rule.  The idealists, however, will have none of it and this is why a lot of them fall in the conservative ranks. They always try to go back to the fundamentals of a particular entity as justification for their actions. They are normally resistant to change and it can make them look ridiculous, backward or out of touch with the movements taking place in the objective reality that is external to them.  Although in society they are mocked for their ironic embrace of modernity. They don’t like to throw away the junk VCR but will buy the latest DVD or Blu Ray player. They embrace diversity only if they will not be affected by it. This means that they withdraw from the world to live in fantasies of a time long dead. They are more likely to embrace the classics yet frown on the present material as inadequate. Nothing can measure up to the great past works which represent a particular ideal because of how influential they are. The fundamentals still apply and in some cases they are right because particular elements may become diverse over time but the core principles remain the same. A standard procedure is still adhered to although the form may change or become diverse.  At the end of the day all the diverse elements are just a branch of the same tree but there is only one tree rooted in the ground. If you cut off all the branches and leave the root then it’s possible that the tree can grow again.

The idealists are not always conservative because they embrace creative impetus. Even if we are influenced by the objective reality, according to the materialists, a significant thought process must occur in order to create a particular object. In this sense the creative impetus shapes our reality because things have to be created in order to function. The original qualitative element required a significant thought process. This is why idealists will embrace material progress on the basis of human ingenuity and, for the more religious, is done for the glory of god or some sort of ideal. For instance made in Jamaica, made in America, made in China enhances the glory of a particular state.

In a lot of cases the materialists also become idealists because by challenging the basis for idealism they do so with another idea about how the world should work or how it is.  A lot of progress in humanity is due to the clash of ideas. Ideas that were established years ago still have an enormous influence on the present generation and how they think. The idea about white supremacy, for instance, is still effective as evidenced by the deranged white man that killed 9 black people in a Charleston church or the numerous fatal killings of young black males. The idea of white supremacy has been so effective that white people are still given the edge when it comes to certain areas. The other racial groups, particularly blacks, are still labeled as inferior in certain circles because of the history of denigration that took place as a result of the dominant ideology related to white supremacy. This denigration took the material form of enslavement or physical brutalization and colonialism. Even the Haitian Revolution was seen as a challenge to the ideology of white supremacy. The ideas of white supremacy have been challenged in various societies but it is ironic that the poor countries that have a lot of ideas about challenging this ideology still run to the nations of predominantly white people for material assistance. They can challenge the idea with another idea but not from a strictly materialist basis. A lot of the leaders of the poor world with populations that are largely made up of non-white racial groups have also adopted the culture of the white nations in terms of their approach to economic development. The only difference is that a black man or an Indian is in power. The racial groups in Asia have been the most successful at challenging the concept of white supremacy from a strictly materialist basis, particularly Japan, China, South Korea and Singapore.   The majority of countries with mostly black populations remain in a state of gross poverty. In academia certain people from these countries did assume the materialist approach by opening up the field and exposing the arguments related to white supremacy but it still only remained another idea particularly as the leaders adopted white culture while relegating their own indigenous culture to stage show entertainment or the tourism product in order to attract money from the investors and spenders primarily from the white nations. Hmmm. These ideas, however, were very important in motivating people to think about the issues and perhaps make a change by promoting their culture. In a lot of cases the culture is seen as exotic or part of a tourism product but not the dominant cultural position in the world because the countries or groups that promote them are materially poor.  In America and other countries blacks have found ways to disprove white supremacy from a strictly materialist point of view. We see that with the great sport and entertainment personalities that have had a considerable influence in their respective fields. Still need more black billionaires like the man from Nigeria.  As Oprah found out in Switzerland, however, it is still a difficult thing to dislodge white supremacy from a strictly materialist basis if they don’t know who you are.  The election of  the first black president of the United States is ironic considering his white heritage. Makes you wonder sometimes.

 That was just an example of how the  significant influence of white supremacy as an ideology has permeated several societies and is still difficult to dislodge. The same could be said of capitalism but I won’t be going down that road.

The idealists are very effective in terms of developing principles that can unify people in a particular sphere whereas the materialists look very ineffective.  The materialists come across as very disinterested, ineffective and aloof and their only purpose, at times, seem to be the act of criticism. The idealists seem more willing to engage materially with the world in order to put forth their ideas  about something while the materialist  ironically casts judgment by saying things like ‘if you’ve seen one you’ve seen them all’ or ‘don’t buy into the propaganda’.  Some materialists cannot seem to engage effectively in the creative sphere because the evidence is not available or they risk becoming idealists themselves.  Some are very good at criticizing the ideas of others but are unwilling or unable to put forward their own without sounding fantastic or pedantic.   If they do put forward their own it’s based on a refutation of some deluded idealist. But this is done by putting forward another relative idea. On the flip side even in creative endeavours the materialists are seen as not being very creative and only seeking to attract money. They produce things distinctly for the demands of the market. A lot of the criticism aimed at some films are that they are derivative cash cows. They make a lot of money but do not seem to have much originality in terms of creativity. Just spin offs looking to milk the cow of the original. The spin off and sequel element is strictly a materialist position although some efforts are very creative and are a success both critically and at the box office The Dark Knight, Star Wars Episode 4 etc. In the creative sphere the materialist approach can be very effective and this is seen in the approach taken by Marvel comics. In the end however the blockbuster era is here to stay and the more dramatic works recede in the background in terms of box office numbers although they still dominate in the awards season. In terms of strictly materialist goals for making money a majority of films will be released that are very successful in terms of money but not so in terms of creativity. This is because they are extremely targeted but not so concerned with the abstract idealism with its grand message or very dramatic performances.


The idealists have been very effective at branding some materialists as cowards and criminals. The cowards are those unwilling to come forward in the public sphere and challenge the idealists because they won’t have much supporters. The idealists are good at galvanizing support around an idea through their organizing principles even if they don’t correspond to reality. You can’t become a politician without some idealist position because you won’t be alone in your endeavour. You will need support because we’re social beings. Humans are motivated a lot about ideas of themselves and the world around them.  The materialists cannot win much support unless they use their thoughts to influence social perception about a particular issue. Some people can only relate to what you’re saying unless it’s ideated. They won’t be able to relate to the objective reality unless it can be shown to them in some ideated form.   This goes against the materialist position that is based on empiricism. A lot of materialists seem to defeat themselves by becoming idealists. The materialists that are branded as criminals are portrayed as individuals that do not want to unite around the unifying banner and so they bypass all that it stands for by creating mayhem from a material point of view. It’s ironic that crime is seen as a social disease when in some instances it only reflects a group of people that do not subscribe to the idealistic principles of a nation such as the respect for private property. If they don’t subscribe to such organizing principles, are they to be considered a social disease? What if they have their own way of doing things that corresponds to a particular objective reality? Who is right, the ganja farmers or the state police that confiscate their produce?  It depends because one can see the effectiveness of having a organizing principle or a idea of how things should operate because it does lead to a more orderly  way of doing things. If the materialists have their way it can be seen as chaotic because they don’t abide by ideals laid down by the organizers and are motivated strictly by naked self- interest ‘To hell with you’.  In some cases they don’t seem to have control of what they’re doing because they have no ideal that can check them. They just go with the flow and who are you to judge because it’s their life. This can only be prevented and enforced through rules or laws or just outright conquest.  Check the recent global economic recession and the aftermath.

‘Isn’t it ironic’ that the rules that protect the sanctity of private property try to control the drive of others to accumulate at all costs especially at the expense of others? Isn’t it ironic that the drive to attain an ideal can be considered chaotic because one has to engage materially with the world? In the case of profit one has to go all out by using the material means and the idealistic principles at your disposal in order to attain it. If you don’t have the money then you can’t invest but if you don’t have a set of principles to guide you you won’t know where to put it.  There is a certain established method to gain profit. When this becomes established it is referred to as idealistic, because it influences how people operate, but it is still an ongoing materialistic process. The ideal feeds the material drive and the material drive feeds the ideal. In the end you’re just ‘running on empty’. In order to attain knowledge you have to clash with a lot of people who have opposing views, different ideas. You have to engage in the sphere of profanity.

Once crucial element in all this is competition and crisis and this gives the materialists the edge. There are always several competing interests. In the sphere of competition everyone has their own way of doing things and this leads to conflict. Competition is a materialistic element because it reflects the diversity in a particular sphere or whole. This diversity means that there is no real absolute or monopoly, only winners and losers particularly as each entity has its own idea of how something should be produced or how something operate. Each entity, therefore, has its own ideas about a particular thing. In some cases monopoly is entertained and the monopoly exerts considerable influence on how the people in the society operate. Crisis is another element that gives the materialists the edge. In terms of crisis there is a major disruption of a particular system. This system normally operated in a particular way but its principles ignored the happenings in the objective reality and then that ideal is shattered. Capitalists tend to overproduce because the market is unable to absorb all the goods for sale. This leads to some form of destruction of what a particular company stood for originally especially if there emerges from the crisis new ways to do things. After a major crisis most people have to alter how they do things because a crisis leads to destruction in some form. They cannot take the same approach as they did before the crisis. With a crisis people tend to come to terms with the objective reality and how it shaped their response to a particular issue. In some cases they did not acknowledge the reality and the crisis forced them to come to terms with it even if they lived in a great fantasy about how they thought the world should operate. If there was no such thing as crisis or competition then the idealists would be right to believe that their ideals are eternal. The crisis lets them realize that they can be absolute up until a certain point.

Idealists tend to predominate in very poor countries and those countries that embrace the materialist ways tend to be the rich ones. The rich nations understand how to get the most out of their objective reality and this is why conquest or investment in profitable areas reaps rewards in a lot of cases. In order to be rich materially you have to know how to engage with the external elements. One cannot simply just imagine or think that this is how it should be. One must be able to engage with the objective world in order to see what it can do for you materially. The idealists in the poor countries do a lot of thinking and discussion about the world but do not necessarily have the means to engage with the material world. So a lot of policy formulating takes place, a lot of discussions on the verandah or in parliament etc but little in terms of action or engagement with the material world.

Idealists can normally be caricatured as crazy individuals that are out of touch. Insane people represent idealism gone wild.

In the end the materialists and the idealists are both sides of the same coin. They do have somewhat distinct approaches but there is a coming together. Your thoughts can shape the world you live in but that can only be done by coming to terms with the material world. Similarly for the materialists they have to understand that for the world to be understood it has to be transformed into an idea or theory that explains the world as opposed to mere data collection. One must have an idea that connects all the dots. At their most extremes however these types are normally considered very different but they do reside in the same sphere.

  Just a general discussion. welcome any feedback














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